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Sparks wrote:

Because they don't have an overwhelming majority in the public eye.

the same public that voted them all into office?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/
Obama won 53% to McCains 46%


Obama's current approval rating is... 53%.
http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx


this is more an issue with the 'blue dogs' and the Democrats ALLOWING of the Repubs to influence votes and procedure when they dont even really have the clout to do so. it is a FAILURE of the Democratic party to have a majority, in so many places, and STILL not be able to pass their own legislation.

Im annoyed by this, not because i'm against the democrats, but because i am FOR the legislation they're trying to pass.

Obama is trying to be 'fair', by 'reaching over the aisle' and including and giving a say to the Repubs when they dont even actually deserve it. In his 'niceness', he's screwing over his own agenda AND, in my opinion, the American people.

The Repubs steamrolled over America for the last eight years without the slightest concern for ANY concern or respect for anyone else... Now that Obama is trying to be the 'bigger man' about it, they're bending him (and us) over a barrel.

no trick needed. EVERY presidency starts off with high (inflated) approval numbers. its takes months for them to deflate and hit a more accurate level. the 'honeymoon' phase has to end, so to speak.

Medicare is already a system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_% … _States%29

if you're asking about Healthcare reform, yes, i am for it. Healthcare in this country lags behind, in almost every way, every other civilized nation on earth. It is expensive, ineffectual and corrupt.
for instance:

"dead peasent" insurance - http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Ins … P64954.asp

Spousal abuse is a 'pre-existing condition' - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/1 … 86029.html

Companies LOOK for 'pre-existing conditions' in order to not payout - http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/colu … 150.column

broken wrist is a 'pre-existing condition' - http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/health … htmare.cnn


this is how health insurance works in America: You pay a company an insurance premium, so that, if/when you need that money back (plus some, if needed), they will cover your medical bills. However, health insurance companies are -businesses-.. they exist SOLELY to MAKE money. ALL they have to do is simply deny coverage or find a loophole in the incredibly dense and complex policy information (backed by high-priced corporate lawyers) and they dont have to give you your money back OR pay your bills.

you're paying these companies to simply take your money. As i said before, the United States is a rare nation that does NOT have socialized medicine. Why are our lives on the line being held by corporations that are concerned utterly and totally with nothing but profit?

Strangely, the same people voting AGAINST socialized medicine are the ones who benefit most from it... senators and congressmen. they dont want the average American to have the same healthcare that THEY themselves have. Why?

because our government is being bought by the corporations.
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stor … -congress/
"Health interests spent more on Federal lobbying than any other economic sector. Their $478.5 million guaranteed the crown for the third year, with the finance, insurance, real estate sector a runner up, spending $453.5 million."

at this point, our capitalism is no longer in check and balance with our democracy.
Capitalism, as an economic theory, is bleeding over into our Democracy, our political theory. this is bad. very bad. no longer are we a Representative Republic... but a Corporatocracy or a Plutocracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy

something must be done... and the guy we voted in to do it, aint doing it.

also.. for the people that are ignorantly terrified of the word "socialism", remember that the US Military is socialized... also, http://www.moloth.com/2009/09/18/oldy-but-goody/

agreed.

exactly my point, m'man.

I agree with you Scott but the Government shouldn't be running it. 

1st they need to offer the Insurance Companies the option to reform and govern themselves (Almost like what happened with the creation of the ESRB)

If (when) they don't, Laws should be passed to enforce a change in business

The Government should be an overseer, not a supplier

Last edited by Sparks (10/9/09 2:02 pm)

I am against Medicaid and Medicare

So much of our national budget is sucked away by such programs.

As far as the health care that Congressmen and Senators 'enjoy', please take that away and let the buggers die.


We are in need of reform, but it will take a lot more than what they are trying to throw at us now.  They are just trying to do a quick fix and move on, but this knot will take awhile to untie.


On a side note.  Obama winning the Peace Prize?  Seriously, what the fuck

Moloth wrote:

What is the purpose of government, in your mind?

I already said as an Overseer

Sparks wrote:

I agree with you Scott but the Government shouldn't be running it. 

1st they need to offer the Insurance Companies the option to reform and govern themselves (Almost like what happened with the creation of the ESRB)

If (when) they don't, Laws should be passed to enforce a change in business

The Government should be an overseer, not a supplier

There's a huge difference between ESRB (and the MPAA for that matter) and national run healthcare.  Those organizations are meant to regulate a certain industry that doesn't necessarily benefit every citizen in the US.  Some people don't watch movies, others don't play video games.  There are still a fair amount of people who don't care what the ESRB or MPAA say regarding the products they represent.  EVERYBODY should be affected by healthcare....unless you're dead...which point.....wtf you need healthcare for?  For so long, as the national population has gotten larger, the economy going south for so long, people aren't getting the healthcare they need and if the population suffers, the nation suffers.  We are in fact a county of people and not buildings and video games. 

If someone can't get adequate healthcare and take care of a disease, virus, cold, w/e that would affect how they worked, they can't work, can they? Or if they do go to work sick, they risk getting others infected or poor job performance that could cause them to be let go.  National healthcare reform is supposed to help those who can't afford to get insurance on their own and their company  does not provide it for them.  Ever hear of Burger King providing BCBS to their part time burger flipping employees who have to work there because they don't have a good enough education to go anywhere else or are struggling to get through school or providing for a family or whatever unfortunate circumstance?  National healthcare would help the little people that do your dirty work, from your fast food servants to the people working in your grocery stores to your malls to every employee of a company that doesn't provide healthcare options for their non-management.

It's supposed to help the little people so that our economy can keep on because there won't be a workforce shortage from illness and death.  In turn, with a great national healthcare system, people can be more focused on other issues on hand that would benefit from having a stable health system: education, jobs, video games. 

Having healthy, less anxious citizens is the best way to run a country that is made up of people.  A government should provide that to help stabilize the economy, alleviate the anxieties of the people they SERVE, and boost the morale of its people so we don't look like sad jackasses on foreign television news station.

Sparks wrote:

On a side note.  Obama winning the Peace Prize?  Seriously, what the fuck

He has worked on improving peaceful international relations, as well as promoting nuclear nonproliferation. And he's the first Nobel prize winner that I know of that caused so many people to say "but what has he actually done". What the fuck, indeed.

Sparks may be saying he doesn't like the way Medicare and Medicaid is run.  Because if you got rid of the two, your (people who ARE insured) medical bills would be astronomical.  Why? Unpaid medical debt.  Part of why your medical bill is high now is because of unpaid health care bills by those who have no insurance and why are the uninsured there?  Lack of ongoing healthcare in the first place.  It's like expecting someone to have a perfect checkup after never going to the dentist.


Do a barrell roll.

Last edited by Cin (10/11/09 8:23 pm)

Yes he did.  I was being obsiquious purple and clairvoyant.